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	<title>Comments on: Isn&#8217;t &#8220;Open Source&#8221; academic publishing kind of a moot point?</title>
	<link>http://stevendkrause.com/2008/02/11/isnt-open-source-academic-publishing-kind-of-a-moot-point/</link>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steve Krause</title>
		<link>http://stevendkrause.com/2008/02/11/isnt-open-source-academic-publishing-kind-of-a-moot-point/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Krause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say, speaking of open source, check out this NYT piece:

&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/books/12publ.html?ex=1203483600&#038;en=9c4a2b023c47a292&#038;ei=5070&#038;emc=eta1" rel="nofollow"&gt;"Harvard Proposal to Publish Scholarly Research Free on the Internet."&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say, speaking of open source, check out this NYT piece:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/books/12publ.html?ex=1203483600&#038;en=9c4a2b023c47a292&#038;ei=5070&#038;emc=eta1" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Harvard Proposal to Publish Scholarly Research Free on the Internet.&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Krause</title>
		<link>http://stevendkrause.com/2008/02/11/isnt-open-source-academic-publishing-kind-of-a-moot-point/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Krause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, three thoughts:

*  My first tenure-track job was at a very small and very poor (as in impoverished-- I thought it was a decent enough school, actually) public college/university called Southern Oregon U, and they had an extremely effective inter-library loan program.  I don't want to generalize too much from that one example, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't cheaper for most academic libraries to do this than to subscribe to various services.  So it's not a perfect system, but it's not bad.  

Alex, I think you're right about librarians' goals for OS stuff, and largely because of that, I have a feeling if some person wondered in to just about any university library in the U.S. and passionately asked for danah's article, I be that librarian would help that person try to get it, even if they weren't associated with that university.

*  One solution-- something danah might want to think about here-- is to try to do everything but publish the article (an abstract, a link, a summary, etc., etc.) on a personal web site and say "hey, if you want a copy of this article, send me an email and I'll hook you up."  Because I cannot believe that Sage or whoever is going to say it would be some violation to send interested readers a personal copy.  Which leads me to my next point:

*  I guess I might be tempted to test Sage's willingness to enforce the letter of the law of their contract.  I just have a hard time believing that Sage or anyone else is going to go after a writer like this, and I assume they would give you a "cease and desist" kind of notice.  It'd be bad PR for them and good PR for the writer.

Of course, I say that without actually having done it myself.  I didn't put &lt;a href="http://www.stevendkrause.com/tprw/" rel="nofollow"&gt;my abandoned textbook project up online&lt;/a&gt; until after I got the rights back....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, three thoughts:</p>
<p>*  My first tenure-track job was at a very small and very poor (as in impoverished&#8211; I thought it was a decent enough school, actually) public college/university called Southern Oregon U, and they had an extremely effective inter-library loan program.  I don&#8217;t want to generalize too much from that one example, but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if it wasn&#8217;t cheaper for most academic libraries to do this than to subscribe to various services.  So it&#8217;s not a perfect system, but it&#8217;s not bad.  </p>
<p>Alex, I think you&#8217;re right about librarians&#8217; goals for OS stuff, and largely because of that, I have a feeling if some person wondered in to just about any university library in the U.S. and passionately asked for danah&#8217;s article, I be that librarian would help that person try to get it, even if they weren&#8217;t associated with that university.</p>
<p>*  One solution&#8211; something danah might want to think about here&#8211; is to try to do everything but publish the article (an abstract, a link, a summary, etc., etc.) on a personal web site and say &#8220;hey, if you want a copy of this article, send me an email and I&#8217;ll hook you up.&#8221;  Because I cannot believe that Sage or whoever is going to say it would be some violation to send interested readers a personal copy.  Which leads me to my next point:</p>
<p>*  I guess I might be tempted to test Sage&#8217;s willingness to enforce the letter of the law of their contract.  I just have a hard time believing that Sage or anyone else is going to go after a writer like this, and I assume they would give you a &#8220;cease and desist&#8221; kind of notice.  It&#8217;d be bad PR for them and good PR for the writer.</p>
<p>Of course, I say that without actually having done it myself.  I didn&#8217;t put <a href="http://www.stevendkrause.com/tprw/" rel="nofollow">my abandoned textbook project up online</a> until after I got the rights back&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: zephoria</title>
		<link>http://stevendkrause.com/2008/02/11/isnt-open-source-academic-publishing-kind-of-a-moot-point/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>zephoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, yes.  Sage requires that you sign their contract that explicitly forbids you from putting it up online for one year.  You can't get out of this contract nowadays (I tried).  I don't know the repercussions of blatantly not following the contract, but I'm not one for flouting contract law.  I have no interest in dealing with that lawsuit since I'd clearly be on the losing side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, yes.  Sage requires that you sign their contract that explicitly forbids you from putting it up online for one year.  You can&#8217;t get out of this contract nowadays (I tried).  I don&#8217;t know the repercussions of blatantly not following the contract, but I&#8217;m not one for flouting contract law.  I have no interest in dealing with that lawsuit since I&#8217;d clearly be on the losing side.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex H.</title>
		<link>http://stevendkrause.com/2008/02/11/isnt-open-source-academic-publishing-kind-of-a-moot-point/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually have access to &lt;i&gt;Convergence&lt;/i&gt; via my school, too, but it is hard for smaller colleges to keep up with the increases in subscription rates, and packaging deals required by the publishers. No one is more pro-open access, in my experience, than librarians. Moreover, this means that only those who are affiliated with a university can read her stuff. She contends that it is our responsibility as scholars to put our work out there where the public and policy-makers can easily access it.

I think danah notes that she tried to negotiate a change in her contract, and I know that it depends a lot on the publisher. She notes that some people just decide to violate their contract with the publisher, and while I agree that there is some value in that, I am pretty uncomfortable doing so. When I agree to something, I like to stick with it, unless completely unavoidable. As you know, I don't agree with danah's tactic here, but I certainly agree that OA is a really important issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually have access to <i>Convergence</i> via my school, too, but it is hard for smaller colleges to keep up with the increases in subscription rates, and packaging deals required by the publishers. No one is more pro-open access, in my experience, than librarians. Moreover, this means that only those who are affiliated with a university can read her stuff. She contends that it is our responsibility as scholars to put our work out there where the public and policy-makers can easily access it.</p>
<p>I think danah notes that she tried to negotiate a change in her contract, and I know that it depends a lot on the publisher. She notes that some people just decide to violate their contract with the publisher, and while I agree that there is some value in that, I am pretty uncomfortable doing so. When I agree to something, I like to stick with it, unless completely unavoidable. As you know, I don&#8217;t agree with danah&#8217;s tactic here, but I certainly agree that OA is a really important issue.</p>
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